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Hy kindly check this article, its about krishna and rama , and why they were depicted as blue in colour.

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it is not terribly unlikely that an Iranic people migrated so far east into India, as many Iranic tribes had by the 5th century BC already made incursions into the subcontinent — be it on their own or in collaboration with the Persians. The Sakas had proven unimpeded by the harsh geography of South-Central Asia when they crossed the Tian Shan mountains into China, becoming the Wusun and Yuezhi.

The second point of note is the mention of incest among the Shakyas. This was a practice associated by Indians and Greeks alike with the Iranic peoples, albeit mostly the Persians and mostly after certain religious corruptions spurred on by the Achaemenid royal court. Practices like this were shunned by the Vedic Aryans but appear in reference even to the lineage of the Buddha himself. Reading Witzel’s religious arguments for an Iranic origin of the Buddha, I can’t say I’m terribly convinced. He mentions some vague mantras shared by Zoroastrianism and Buddhism, as well as the focus on the afterlife in both, but I think the former is meaningless and the latter is not that meaningful since such ideas of heaven and hell had already existed in the Brahmanical religion. In some ways Zoroastrianism is actually more like the opposite of Buddhism — it is anti-ascetic, it posits a linear timeline with a (presumably) final victory of goodness over evil, and it focuses very little (at least exoterically) on any sort of enlightenment or union with the absolute.

However, a lot of these differences may have already existed at the beginning of the Vedic-Ahuric schism. We know that for some reason, the Rigvedic tribes decided to call the deities they worship Devas, and the deities they don’t worship Asuras. While the Iranians called the deity they worshipped Ahura, and the deities they did not worship Daevas. There are clearly deities shared between the two cultures, like Mithras. Tangentially, Æsir might be cognate with Ahura/Asura. Some suspect that there was a sort of religious falling out between the Indo-Aryans and the Iranic tribes because of this.

One could perhaps make the argument that Buddhism is actually more similar than Hinduism to Zoroastrianism in some regards. The strongest similarities are observed in the Zurvanite tradition of Zoroastrianism, which posits the existence of a transcendent being beyond Ohrmuzd and Ahriman called Zurvan, who is identical to eternity (which, in a metaphysical sense, is different from simply being a “time god”). You can more generally argue that the lack of a particular identity associated with an ultimate reality is itself a difference between Zoroastrianism and Hinduism that could generate the synthesis of Buddhism. And this is only considering Zoroastrianism, something most Sakas probably didn’t practice earnestly. What may be more relevant is the religion of the Scythians, Sauromatians, and Alans. Interestingly, the Scythians were said to have a Heraclitan view of the world, with the most primordial element being eternal fire symbolized by the goddess Tapati. It is this view, in the Greek context, which is most often brought up in discussions about similarity with Buddhism. Heraclitus’s eternal flame is parallel to the Buddhist understanding of Sunyata. It isn’t empty in the sense that it is literally nonexistent, it is empty in the sense that it cannot possibly be attributed static qualities or form. When Heraclitus describes the fundamental substance as fire, he is similarly saying that static objects only exist secondarily to an infinite kinesis, a fire which is at every single moment flickering and embodying something different.

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